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Richard Lundgren
04-13-2006, 09:16 AM
Hi,
Any information regarding this wreck is more than welcome. This German carrier simply must be found and explored/documented :)
Information narrowing the search area is vital and the information must be out there.
Take care,
Richard Lundgren
Charlotta Carlén
04-13-2006, 10:55 AM
Hi,
Any information regarding this wreck is more than welcome. This German carrier simply must be found and explored/documented :)
Information narrowing the search area is vital and the information must be out there.
Take care,
Richard Lundgren
I did a quick search and found some interesting stuff. Maybe you already have seen this but I thought I might post it anway.
There is a drawing of the Aircraft Carrier KM Graf Zeppelin on the website: http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/KM_Graf_Zeppelin_1939/wasserschleier_anlage_100dpi.jpg
The Graf Zeppelin was never completed, and was expended after the war in a Soviet target practice. This drawing depicts her fire suppression sprinklers in the hangar areas.
There is also some info about her on the informative webiste http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/carrier/grafzeppelin/
You can also order the book
Aircraft Carrier: Graf Zeppelin
Siegfried Breyer
ISBN: 0887402429
Pages: 48 pages This is a 48 page volume that includes line drawings, photographs, and charts.
Picture of book cover: http://www.floatingdrydock.com/0887402429.gif
:cool:
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Ingemar Lundgren
04-13-2006, 02:00 PM
The rumor has it that the Russians test bombed it to hell and back but it refused to sink and then started to drift toward Sweden. Where it finally sank is unknown but some local fishermen on Öland have run there trawls in to an enormous object between Öland and Gotland. They call this trawl snag "The Russian". We have about 10 trawl snag positions in the area.
Richard Lundgren
04-13-2006, 05:57 PM
this trawl snag "The Russian". We have about 10 trawl snag positions in the area.
So, fuel up and lets go! getting bored on the dry land :D
Might be able to check with our Polish friends and see if they have aditional information. Check if OD wanna have this as a projekt target next year!? If not maybe others are interested... (Moskus?)
Richard
Ingemar Lundgren
04-13-2006, 08:55 PM
This was posted by Tulle in the Swedish forum. I am taking the liberty of translating it.
"According to Russian sources the Graf Zeppelin was sank in the south Baltic sea at position 55 48,00 ; 18 30,00. According to Polish sources it sank at 55 48,00 ; 18 38,00. "
It would be very interesting to hear from some of our Polish friends if they have any further information regarding this.
Hi,
if you need some translation help from our horrible german language to english I´m more than happy to help;
I might as well use this as a short intro:
My name is Derk, I´m from ...guess where:) -> Right, germany and into wreck diving since quite a while.
best,
Derk
Ingemar Lundgren
04-14-2006, 02:19 AM
Welcome to the forum Derk. We are diving in the same pond i guess. Great to see some Germans here. There are many interesting wrecks on your side of the coast. Care to tell us about your favorite wrecks there and get us up to date what is happening in German wreck diving?
Hi, I follow Derk's steps:
First of all a short introduction:
My name is Michael from Rostock (southern shores of the Baltic), due to my job as a navy officer I am interested in ship wrecks, especially in the two lost big ones of the Kriegsmarine: "Graf Zeppelin" and the heavy cruiser "Lützow" (ex Panzerschiff "Deutschland"), on which my father served during the last year of the war.
I started diving in 1991 and got approx. 2000 dives
I have the book "Einziger deutscher Flugzeugträger "Graf Zeppelin"" by Ulrich Israel, which as far as I know is the latest book about the ship, at home. I can check the data about the sinking on sunday.
Regarding the Lützow this is the last pic of her I know (dated 1946)
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/forum_images/luetzow_2.jpg
Charlotta Carlén
04-14-2006, 08:18 PM
I have the book "Einziger deutscher Flugzeugträger "Graf Zeppelin"" by Ulrich Israel, which as far as I know is the latest book about the ship, at home. I can check the data about the sinking on sunday.
Hi Mike!
Thank you for sharing info. :)
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Ingemar Lundgren
04-14-2006, 11:24 PM
Welcome to the forum Mike. Tell all your friends in Germany to. Would be great if we could gather divers from around the Baltic here and share information. Together we could achieve something worth wile.
Regarding Graf Zeppelin. Interestingly enough according to Conway´s all the worlds´s fighting ships, ISBN nr 0 85177 146 7 the carrier was taken in tow to Leningrad on September 27 -1947 but never reached her destination, probably being sunk by a mine en route. Seems there is more then 6 different theories regarding the sinking.
There where many drifting mines in the Baltic back then. But would they take the route between Öland and Gotland? Or maybe it struck the mine and then drifted before sinking. It seems to be so many theories around that it is very hard to conclude which one is more credible.
The trawl snag position that i mentioned earlier in this thread is supposed to be about 300m long. It could be an underwater cliff but many are wondering why the fishermen call the position "the russian".
Ingemar Lundgren
04-14-2006, 11:53 PM
Mike could you tell us more about the Lutzow? I thought the Lutzow was scrapped in 1956 by the Russians? Or is my memory failing me?
Achim Schloeffel
04-15-2006, 04:07 AM
Hi,
My name is Achim Schlöffel - also from Germany. I was interessted in the Graf Zeppelin some years ago and collected everything I could get - also some possible positions. I´m on Statia at the moment but will check my libary when I´m back in Munich on 26th of April and than post what I have.
Just from memory I think there was a position in an aera called "Finnischer Meerbusen" an the depth was 170 Meters at the bottom.. The source of this was some retired russion sailor. But as I said - this is only by memory - I have to check my papers.
All the best
Achim
Israel confirms the position Tulle posted:
June, 18th 1967 Graf Zeppelin was towed to 55°48'N018°30'E and was torpedoed by soviet MTBs and 13 cm-shells of the destroyer Grozyashtchiy.
In 1993 russian witnesses spread the word, that GZ sank as a result of massive weapon-tests in summer 1947 within a sharp guarded testing area in the bay of Finland (in German the "Finnischer Meerbusen" Achim mentioned)
Technical datasheet:
Launched Dec, 8th 1938
Length: 257 m long,
Height: 30 m high,
Width: 30 m
Displacement: 27750 tons
Speed: 35 knots
Ingemar Lundgren
04-16-2006, 07:56 PM
Found some more info.
On 14 August 1947 the PB-101 (former GRAF ZEPPELIN) was towed out to outer roads of Swinoujscie (former Swinemunde) by four harbour tugs and Soviet naval sea-going tug MB-44. On the road the MB-44 was joined by icebreaker VOLYNETZ and tug MB-47 and all three towed the ZEPPELIN to the scuttling area, where the ship was left at anchor. They were escorted by minesweepers T-714 and T-742 and diving tender VM-902.
On 16 August the scuttling began. Bombs and shells (placed earlier on board) were exploded to imitate and evaluate effects of attacks.
Later the ship was attacked by a total of 25 Pe-2 bombers; of 100 bombs dropped the aircrews claimed 11 hits, but in fact only 5 hits could be confirmed later. The day was closed by another round of on board explosions of prearranged bombs.
On 17 August the ship began to drift towards shoals so it was decided to finish her off with torpedoes. The attacks were carried out by TKA-248, TKA-425 and TK-503 (only one hit obtained) but the final coup was delivered by destroyer SLAVNYJ which hit the ZEPPELIN with one torpedo.
According to Polish sorces she sank in position 55o48N/18o38E.
Welcome to the forum Derk. We are diving in the same pond i guess. Great to see some Germans here. There are many interesting wrecks on your side of the coast. Care to tell us about your favorite wrecks there and get us up to date what is happening in German wreck diving?
Hi Ingemar,
sorry, been absent due to eastern that´s why the answer is late.
Anyway, I must confess that I did not dive too many interesting wrecks on the german side of the "lake baltic" :p(just a nickname from the guys from the north sea coast), so would say nicest wreck in the baltic I visited is on your doorstep, the "Direktor Reppenhagen".
Well, you asked about german wreck diving. There is quite a crowd of germans diving a lot of wrecks in the baltic, but unfortunately one has to say that a) some of them (probably the loudest) are somehow critical individuals and b) that DIR principles are only slowly growing in german wreck diving. That might be connected to the general orientation towards cave diving within the german DIR community, probably because of the huge success of the EKPP.
You might not remember me but years ago, we had some nice email conversation because I asked you wether I could use some of your photos for presentations...
Well, very nice to get in touch with you again.
Best wishes,
Derk
niobe
05-27-2006, 10:07 PM
so it woud seem to be right adress to contact polish or swedish navy,ww2 era carrier wreck cant be much of an military secret! besides id would be supsired if the swedes hawent been around "watchin" when the russians had their little tests...
PopekS
07-25-2006, 09:44 AM
Hi
I have information that wreck of Graf Zeppelin is found by polish oil company "Petrobaltic" about 43 Nm to North from Rozewie.
Wreck layin about 80m deep. Minimum depth is 50m.
Richard Lundgren
07-25-2006, 11:44 AM
Can you arange a expedition to the site asap?
Take care
Richard Lundgren
Ingemar Lundgren
07-25-2006, 12:07 PM
Do you know the position or do you know if it was found near where it was supposed to be according to the Polish navy?
What is this placed by the same company with a circle in the chart 5nm restricted area?
RACON", name Baltic Beta pos. 5528.798N 1810.750E
Hej Ingemar,
What is this placed by the same company with a circle in the chart 5nm restricted area?
RACON", name Baltic Beta pos. 5528.798N 1810.750E
Could it be an oil rig?
Ingemar Lundgren
07-26-2006, 01:53 AM
Yeah that was what we where thinking. Have never herd of oil rigs in the Baltic though. Supposedly it belongs to the company that found the Graf Zeppelin.
judas
07-26-2006, 10:26 AM
Hi,
This oil rig propably belongs to Petrobaltic. I have a friend who works for Petrobaltic... he is comercial rebreather diver at Petrobaltic. Now he is at the sea... he will be back after 2 weeks and i hope we have new news, mayby ROV movie, its normal practice for Petrobaltic...
Have a nice day...
Yeah that was what we where thinking. Have never herd of oil rigs in the Baltic though. Supposedly it belongs to the company that found the Graf Zeppelin.
There has been some Jack-Up riggs drilling in the baltic, as they can't do deep water drilling the depth should not be an issue.
Cheers
judas
07-27-2006, 09:11 AM
Photo of Graf...
http://xs304.xs.to/xs304/06303/GZ_1.jpg
Have a nice day...
Hi there,
just as an information, today there was an long article in a well-known german online-newspaper (www.spiegel-online.de (http://www.spiegel-online.de)) about the "Graf Zeppelin):
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,428745,00.html
The ghist is, that it was never finished due to massive doubts about it being a too wealthy target for the Royal Navy, so the shipbuilding-capacities were thought to be better used for uboats.
Now, a polish company called "Petrobaltic" found a massive wreck 55miles offshore Wladyslawowo in a depth of 80mtr. The polish Navy send a ship to dive there, the same team which also found the "Steuben".
Accordingto international law-at-sea, the wreck now shoud be owned by the state of germany, but, at the ministry of defense there are "considerations" on the way.
That in short, if anybody of you has further questions, feel free to ask me, maybe I can help translation or whatever.
best,
Derk
judas
07-27-2006, 06:30 PM
http://217.74.70.37/media/img/103/103221_f_big.jpg
http://217.74.70.37/media/img/103/103221_e_big.jpg
Ingemar Lundgren
07-28-2006, 01:11 AM
Derk please keep an eye on the German news and keep us updated.
Judas, thanks for the sonar pictures. Is that an intact superstructure that we see on the picture?
matti_anttila
07-28-2006, 07:54 AM
Hi all Baltic Sea divers :)
The wreck was mentioned in today's newspaper in Finland too!
Have there been any divers yet on the wreck..?
I would sure be interested to dive that aircraft carrier!
With best regards from Finland,
Matti Anttila
Tx Instr. / IT
judas
07-28-2006, 12:07 PM
More sonar pictures of GZ at Polish Navy web side...
http://www.mw.mil.pl/index.php?akcja=news&filter=&id=17587
They made ROV movie too... mayby we can see it next week...
Ps. Polish famous diver Gregor Dominik - discoverer of Goya and Steuben died yasterday at 40 m. rebreather diving at Baltic Sea... sad...
Hi,
here some more links, basically the same news, but one states it is quite close to an oil rigg called B3.
http://www.heute.de/ZDFheute/inhalt/15/0,3672,3960751,00.html
http://www.faz.net/s/Rub28FC768942F34C5B8297CC6E16FFC8B4/Doc~ECCF97F8CC2D744D8A7E394CF4EDA4632~ATpl~Ecommon ~Scontent.html
that´s it for today, many more newssites have the same news, all based on ddp/afp.
Best,
Derk
Derk please keep an eye on the German news and keep us updated.
Judas, thanks for the sonar pictures. Is that an intact superstructure that we see on the picture?
Richard Lundgren
07-28-2006, 04:56 PM
Looks like the superstructure is intact and this fact makes this a truly amazing opportunity to document the site.
Need help getting the personal contact with the maritime authorities locally in Poland and Germany to set up a GUE research/documentary project. The goal would be HD video and photo documentation. Cooperation with divers around the Baltic is also desirable. We need to act fast to have a chance to get the video and stills while the wreck is still unspoiled. Remember what happened to Steuben etc within months of the discovery.
Keep posting news here on the forum and if you need me in person use: Richard@GUE.com
Richard Lundgren
07-29-2006, 02:11 PM
More pictures
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Hello Everybody
In our Austrian/German Television is a dokumantion about the Wreck TODAY
I don´t know if they have some under water pics but i hope so ;-)
http://www.xxp.tv/programm/ at 20:15
Hitlers Flugzeugträger
Check this out!!
Greetings from Austria
Richard Lundgren
07-31-2006, 05:42 PM
The TimesJuly 27, 2006
Divers find Hitler's aircraft carrier
By Roger Boyes
The location of the wreck of the Graf Zeppelin had been a mystery for more than half a century
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POLISH divers have discovered the rusting wreckage of Nazi Germany’s only aircraft carrier, the Graf Zeppelin, solving one of the most enduring maritime riddles of the Second World War.
For more than half a century the location of the huge vessel was kept secret by the Soviet authorities. Even the opening of the Moscow archives in the 1990s failed to produce a precise bearing. The once-proud ship was simply one of dozens of wrecks that littered the bed of the Baltic Sea near the Bay of Gdansk.
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“We were carrying out soundings for possible oil exploration,” Krzysztof Grabowski, of the Petrobaltic exploration group, said. “Then we stumbled across a vessel that was over 260 metres (850ft) long at a depth of 250 metres.” Divers confirmed this week that it was the German ship, though who owns her and what — if anything — will happen to her remains unclear.
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When the Graf Zeppelin was launched in 1938, Adolf Hitler raised his right arm in salute to a warship that was supposed to help Germany to become master of the northern seas. But, when fleeing German troops scuttled her in April 1945, she had never seen service — a casualty of infighting within the Nazi elite and the changing tide of war.
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The Graf Zeppelin was scuttled in shallow water near Szczecin and it proved easy for the Red Army to recover her after marching into the Polish port. According to an agreement with the Allies, German and Japanese warships should have been sunk in deep water or destroyed. The Russians repaired the ship, then used her to carry looted factory equipment back to the Soviet Union. In August 1947 Allied spies observed her being towed back to the Polish Baltic coast and then used for target practice at Leba by Soviet dive bombers. It appeared that the Russians were preparing for possible action against US aircraft carriers.
The Graf Zeppelin sank a second time, and remained undetected until now. Lukasz Orlicki, a Polish maritime historian, said: “It is difficult to say why the Russians have always been so stubbornly reluctant to talk about the location of the wreck. Perhaps it was the usual obsession with secrecy, or perhaps there was some kind of suspect cargo.” At 262 metres, the Graf Zeppelin was comparable to the biggest of the US carriers that played such a significant role in the Pacific. She had a range of 8,000 nautical miles, meaning that she could easily have reached the North Sea.
Richard Lundgren
07-31-2006, 10:43 PM
Last pictures ever taken of Graf Zeppelin
Forwarded by Mr Paik (Thank you!)
Pictures taken by the Russian as they sink Graf Zeppelin in the Baltic Sea. No we can only hope that we can sequre a permission to visit and bring back stunning stills and HD video to the public.
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Hi,
there is another good article (in german) at this website:
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,429236,00.html
there are a lot photos as well.
Best,
Derk
Oliver Ferner-Prantner
08-01-2006, 04:17 PM
Hello Richard, hello all!
I am new in this forum so I introduce myself. My name is Oliver and I am from Vienna Austria. I am a member from DIR-Austria.com and our team do a lot of wreck dives favored in adriatic sea. We document our dives with a scooter-HDcamera system.
I am following this thread very intrested from beginning. Richard, do you stay in contact with the authorities to get a diving permission to explore this great wreck? I think that is not easy to find the correct contact person!
I wish you good luck to get the permision for this projekt! When you need some helping hand to do this project, DIR-Austria is flying! :)
Oliver
Richard Lundgren
08-01-2006, 07:56 PM
Hello Richard, hello all!
I am new in this forum so I introduce myself. My name is Oliver and I am from Vienna Austria. I am a member from DIR-Austria.com and our team do a lot of wreck dives favored in adriatic sea. We document our dives with a scooter-HDcamera system.
Hi Oliver and welcome. I hope that you will find the forum usefull and interesting. There are many interesting wrecks in the adriatic sea, some that will need to be discovered too:-) If you find time, be sure to tell us more about what you and the Austrian DIR team is doing.
I am following this thread very intrested from beginning. Richard, do you stay in contact with the authorities to get a diving permission to explore this great wreck? I think that is not easy to find the correct contact person!
I wish you good luck to get the permision for this projekt! When you need some helping hand to do this project, DIR-Austria is flying! :)
Oliver
Yes, we are pursuing a variety of avenues to secure an official permit both from the Polish and German authorities. This might not be needed according to Maritime law but we feel this is the correct way to do things. Yes, to find the right persons to contact is hard and impossible without local help. Using this forum we find great help from different individuals, forum members, in different countries. This is the beauty of the forum and it will become an even better resource for exploration as it expands. Right now we have members from the commercial/military industries all over the world along with hyperbaric experts, historians, maritime archeologist's, journalists, explorers, passionate divers and more.
Thank you for your kind input!
Take care
Richard Lundgren
Thomas
08-01-2006, 09:06 PM
Hi Lukasz
that's really sad news about Gregorz "Banan"... i personally has been speaking to him a lot of times about wrecks in the Baltic Sea so this is very sad news.
My deepest condolances to his family.
Regards
Thomas
Ps. Polish famous diver Gregor Dominik - discoverer of Goya and Steuben died yasterday at 40 m. rebreather diving at Baltic Sea... sad...
Thomas
08-01-2006, 09:29 PM
Ingemar,
i took a quick look into my charts for this area, and if one goes straight north from Rozewie you'll find a few oil rigs. At least one of them owned by Petrobaltic. Only a few miles north to this rig you'll find an obstruction in the chart. Depth in the area is around 75-90 meters and the depth recorded above the obstruction is stated as 50 meters. The distance from Rozewie to the obstruction is 43 nm. Position taken from the chart is 55°30,75' N 18°12,25' Ø. I dont want to jump to conclusions, but this could be the GZ.
Chat soon
Thomas
Do you know the position or do you know if it was found near where it was supposed to be according to the Polish navy?
What is this placed by the same company with a circle in the chart 5nm restricted area?
RACON", name Baltic Beta pos. 5528.798N 1810.750E
Ingemar Lundgren
08-03-2006, 04:40 PM
Apparently Zeppelin is located with in the protective zone of one of Petrobaltics rigs and the rumor has it they have counter terrorist forces on board the rig and that they would possibly interfere if anyone would try to dive at the site. If this is true or not i don´t know. If it is true a permit would be very helpfull even if its not needed. I hope that no charter boats will try to dive her before they have actually secured the permits needed. If they do dive it could make it harder for others later.
From the pre-sinking pictures and the sonar pictures i have seen this sounds like an awesome wreck to explore. Some people have indicated that she is just an empty hull but it is clear that there is more then enough left of the wreck to make a very interesting dive site.
Basen72
08-05-2006, 11:34 AM
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428857,00.html
Check this link for pictures and some info from the polish navy..
:) Björn
judas
08-10-2006, 10:10 AM
Diving in GZ is prohibited until authorioties make an exam of risks - reminders of war... ect.
http://tinyurl.com/k692o
Have a nice day
Judas
Per Lundström
08-10-2006, 12:02 PM
Diving in GZ is prohibited until authorioties make an exam of risks - reminders of war... ect.
http://tinyurl.com/k692o
Have a nice day
Judas
Is it possible for you or somone who know polish to translate the document on the picture at the bottom of the page you linked to?
As I understand it GZ lays in polish economical zone and not on polish territoral waters. Is it possible for polish authorities to prohibit other countries to dive in polish economcial zone?
Best regards
Per
Leszek
08-10-2006, 01:25 PM
Is it possible for you or somone who know polish to translate the document on the picture at the bottom of the page you linked to?
As I understand it GZ lays in polish economical zone and not on polish territoral waters. Is it possible for polish authorities to prohibit other countries to dive in polish economcial zone?
Best regards
Per
translation of document:
"Accordin to .....(here are numbers of acts) is rsolved that:
1
With the purpose of protection divers life and health also mritime environment it's forbiden to dive within 500 meters from position of ship wreck.
Ship wreck coordinations:
55 31 03 018 17 09
2
Regulation comes into force 8 August 2006 by official annauncement which you can find on notice board in Maritime Office in Gdynia and some other places....."
That's all.
Best Regards
Leszek
Kuba Grabowski
08-10-2006, 01:58 PM
According to the article http://tinyurl.com/k692o (http://tinyurl.com/k692o) this ban is temporary* at this stage. According to the law, government must be sure that the wreck is safe and there is no dangerous goods for environment inside.
the word temporary, meaning the time in which it takes to be sure that all aspects are safe. No details how long it takes of course…. [
Per Lundström
08-10-2006, 02:03 PM
Thanks a lot for the translation.
The question is still open if this document actually affects other than polish vessels in polish economical zone?
judas
08-10-2006, 04:36 PM
Thanks a lot for the translation.
The question is still open if this document actually affects other than polish vessels in polish economical zone?
According to UN Convention about Sea Low from 10 of December 1982 article 56... YES it is affects all vessels...
This checking will be about 15 of September and if there is nothing dangerous into... the wreck will be opened to dive...
Please dont try dive beafore without permision becouse it may affect a permanent close.
Per Lundström
08-10-2006, 04:45 PM
According to UN Convention about Sea Low from 10 of December 1982 article 56... YES it is affects all vessels...
This checking will be about 15 of September and if there is nothing dangerous into... the wreck will be opened to dive...
Please dont try dive beafore without permision becouse it may affect a permanent close.
Thanks for the clarification. Of course I will not go ther without valid permission, just courious about the sea laws regarding these kind of matters.
Best
Per
Per Lundström
08-10-2006, 05:14 PM
After reading some more, both the UN Sea Law, you pointed to, and some other stuff regarding the wreck after M/S Estonia, it has become rather clear to me that a states jurisdiction does not extend to non-natural resources (like a wreck) outside its own territorial waters.
In the case of the wreck after M/S Estonia the dive prohibition is only valid for citizens of countrys who actually has signed the agreement (in that case Sweden, Finland and Estonia).
I am really not an expert but just find this subject interesting :-)
/P
judas
08-11-2006, 10:22 AM
After reading some more, both the UN Sea Law, you pointed to, and some other stuff regarding the wreck after M/S Estonia, it has become rather clear to me that a states jurisdiction does not extend to non-natural resources (like a wreck) outside its own territorial waters.
In the case of the wreck after M/S Estonia the dive prohibition is only valid for citizens of countrys who actually has signed the agreement (in that case Sweden, Finland and Estonia).
I am really not an expert but just find this subject interesting :-)
/P
Ok... look at art 56 point 1 b (iii) http://tinyurl.com/rnlza and this...
With the purpose of protection divers life and health also maritime environment it's forbiden to dive within 500 meters from position of ship wreck.
Ship wreck coordinations:
55 31 03 018 17 09
So in my opinion they have rigts to close it.
Per Lundström
08-11-2006, 10:32 AM
Aah :o
I missed that part of the translation, sorry, seems you are absolutly right.
Thanks for the correction.
/P
judas
08-11-2006, 07:17 PM
ROV movie...
http://www.e-aolej.com/graf.html
Apparently Zeppelin is located with in the protective zone of one of Petrobaltics rigs and the rumor has it they have counter terrorist forces on board the rig and that they would possibly interfere if anyone would try to dive at the site. If this is true or not i don´t know. If it is true a permit would be very helpfull even if its not needed. I hope that no charter boats will try to dive her before they have actually secured the permits needed. If they do dive it could make it harder for others later.
There are far more "instable" areas where oil and gas fields are established where there are no counter terrorist forces. I’m not saying that they don’t have counter terrorist forces but if they do its sounds more like some one puts "pressure" on the company...
No drilling company or field owner wants to spend $$$ on people who just takes up precious accommodation space offshore.
However as you say it’s probably best to get proper paperwork first!
She's fair game, good luck everyone!!!
Kind regards
KrzyHo
09-04-2006, 05:43 PM
Hi guys!
I want to pay your attention also to one of the books about Graf. This is bilingual (polish/english) edition of Warship Encyclopedia dedicated to Graf Zeppelin where you can find more interesting facts, photos and visualisations.
You can order it here: http://aj-press.home.pl/eow42_ang.htm.
They have also more interesting pol/eng books about warships http://aj-press.home.pl/eow_ang.HTM
Rgds
KrzyHo
Leszek
09-11-2006, 01:34 PM
Hi,
From this site you can download pretty interesing pdf file. It's a report
from inspection.
http://www.dzh.mw.mil.pl/index.php?akcja=inspekcja
For these who don't speak polish, you have to click on :) :
Opracowanie materiału zdjęciowego
uzyskanego za pomocą ROV
podczas inspekcji obiektu podwodnego
"Graf Zeppelin"
Best Regards
Leszek
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